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Log in Register. Search titles only. Search Advanced search…. New posts. Search forums. Log in. JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. How to Enjoy Every Bit! Hide sidebar Show sidebar. Thread starter Wayde Robson Start date Jun 29, Wayde Robson Audioholics Anchorman. Last month Apple Music began streaming its entire library in lossless bit-rates with a couple of other tricks for select libraries.
All laudable accomplishments and frankly surprising coming from the company that has long given us kbps AAC and called it a day. And yes, the origin of the article was me doing the math on the compromises required to drop Tidal and convert to Apple Music.
Okay, I know this article seems like the doctrine of a semi-religious stickler for details, pure numbers nerdism. In a way it's antithetical to how I like to listen to music. I prefer to listen deeply with a good pair of headphones and be carried away unworried about bit-rates and resampling. But, I have to admit I do all of that worrying before I start listening. I hope you enjoy and take my wisecracks about Apple with a grain of salt.
I really am objectively glad Apple exists because And I'm certain that Apple's conversion to lossless for its base subscription price will set the standard industry-wide. Trebdp83 Audioholic Ninja. Interesting information and much has been discussed elsewhere in the forum. If somebody also has an Apple TV 4K Gen 1 or 2, then the pot is sweetened with playback of atmos tracks. Unfortunately, Macs connected to an external component will not pass atmos metadata though the core multi channel info will be output.
If one is not hung up on the numbers, the Apple service is good though there is some cleaning up to do and not all atmos tracks available on Tidal are available yet on Apple Music. Some tracks are currently mislabeled and you never quite know what you will get until it plays.
I wouldn't call Roon or Audirvana losers simply because they don't support Apple Music. For those interested in hi-res numbers and incorporating ripped libraries, Roon or Audirvana linked to Qobuz or Tidal and a local library are very viable options. I have not yet experimented with Roon but am sure I will at some point for the experience. Audirvana 3. I still need to try Audirvana Studio as the control app was finally updated for it this week.
I believe Roon offers a seven day trial and Audirvana thirty days. Most if not all services are offering CD quality streaming now. For those interested in sampling different services and softwares, it can currently be done for very little and often no cost. Which service and or software is "better" will be determined by each subscriber as they consider any ecosystem they are already in and the layout of the service apps in their hardware.
There is no shortage of options and many are already using hardware up for the task. So, have fun everybody! Trebdp83 said:.
Interesting information regarding MQA and headphones. I also prefer to use a receiver's built in apps for streaming music. If I can use the receiver's remote control and not have to take out a Smart device, even better. But, I also like options. If Apple does come up with Airplay 3, it would be cool if it supported hi-res and Dolby Atmos.
I loved your article and like has been previously stated, there's no much information about this topic yet. Regarding that Chromecast audio quality, I've been testing my self and noted that on the apple music app, whenever I'm streaming to a Chromecast device the lossless logo disappears. I was wondering why, until i think I figured it out.
Chromecast can't natively play ALAC files, so my guess is that apple music is automatically changing the streaming quality to AAC or mp3, so it's not lossless and that's why the logo disappears. What do you think?
Did you test the sample rate output from Chromecast to a DAC via toslink? Wayde Robson said:. View attachment Big-Q Audioholic Intern. For listening to music on the go car, plane, walking down the street, or anywhere besides a dedicated listening room All this lossless talk is a moot point. Lossy is fine for those task. There are too many environmental constraints outside noises interfering with the music. This is the bulk of the streaming listening with headphones taking place in the world.
As I side note, I prefer not to give money to Apple. Just saying. Fernando89 Audiophyte. Thanks for the article! What about iPhone or iPad - hdmi output using lightning to av digital adaptor into an avr receiver? Is is also possible with the new usb C MacBook port? I mean usb C - hdmi adaptor - hdmi into avr receiver…. Verdinut Audioholic Ninja. Twenty four bit resolution and kHz sampling rate are not necessary in a home environment:. Believing the mother-in-law will ever truly approve of you is the real delusion.
Old Onkyo Audioholic General. Big-Q said:. This is what I do when hooking my MacBook Pro to my home theater. It would be interesting to see if Spatial Audio can play through a set up like mine.
Also, how about incorporating some type of spatial processing into Apple Music so I can get something like that effect with my music library on my iPhone.
As a designer who uses his Mac for business more than pleasure, I bristle a little bit when I hear that age old BS about an "Apple Tax" no, Wayde, this wasn't you.
Any PC that's built as well as Apple's computers costs the same. If you want a plastic piece of junk, then, yes, that crap is cheaper because it's crap. Drop it from 4 feet and see if it still works or is in one piece. Does Apple do things that annoy me laptops that can't be upgraded?
Are a few of their products a bit overpriced? If somebody comes up with products that are drastically better, I'll switch to them. If you prefer their competitors, go for it. Personally, I've found that, for the most part, they make the best stuff.
Trell Audioholic Ninja. You have not done your research. You are wrong on every point. As to dropping the computer, I should have stated a laptop, not a desktop, but I'm pretty sure that the Mac "cheese grater" desktop could easily stand that test. I doubt that many PC's could. The MacBook Pro I'm writing this on was a scratch and ding special when I bought it that has a small blemish on one corner from a drop. Obviously, it works perfectly 6 years later.
I learned a long time ago to never argue with imbeciles or crazy people.
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